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Oh god it was very hard for me to pick between books but of the ones you listed and I read my favorites are Anne Frank, Les Miserables and Gone With the Wind (unless Gone by the Wind is something different). Of course all three are very different so it depends on what you are looking for.

The Godfather and One Thousand and One Nights are also pretty good but with the Godfather I actually prefer the two movies and One Thousand and One Nights is very misogynist if you ask me.

Gone With the Wind (unless Gone by the Wind is something different)

...ah yeah, the one with the old classic movie. Since the title is in Spanish I don't know what it's called and I was lazy to check it.

One Thousand and One Nights is very misogynist if you ask me

Considering it's Arabic, I'd kind of take it for granted. I am curious to see the real versions of Aladdin or Ali Baba, though.

Edited 2008-03-15 17:56 (UTC)

Odin Sphere is one of those games that crosses between Awesome and Incredibly Frustrating a lot, so be prepared to swear a lot at the screen. It's pretty, the gameplay is, for the most part fun, and the story is interesting and well acted (in English, at least).

On the downside, most of the boss battles are really hard, even on easy mode, and there is an incredible amount of lag on some levels. There's nothing like the feeling you get when you're ten minutes into a boss battle and the boss one-shots you because suddenly you're unable to dodge.

Just... Take them all, close your eyes and pick one |D;;

WORKS FOR ME >:

Considering it's Arabic, I'd kind of assume it. I am curious to see the real versions of Aladdin or Ali Baba, though.

Yeah it's definitely an interesting read and obviously some of the ideas they came up with are incredible, but I think its one of those cases where I prefer the modern retellings. :)

...ah yeah, the one with the old classic movie. Since the title is in Spanish I don't know what it's called and I was lazy to check it.

Yes and I really love the movie too. I am not 100% sure if you will like it. It does cover a very long history of the South before and after the Civil War which is very interesting but then the on and off again romance of the two leads is also a major plot point. Of course I guess what makes it interesting and not typical is the two characters are very unscrupulous but also highly intelligent.

They're all pretty amazing books, so choose whatever you think you'd enjoy the most. I'd personally go with Anne Frank's Diary or One Thousand and One Nights. Moby Dick is really really hard to read -_- so I wouldn't recommend that unless you like thick, rambling text.

That's what I've heard about the excessive difficulty, and why I'm having my doubts about playing it. I'm not exactly patient when it comes to videogames, RPGs or not. But I've watched most cutscenes and spoiled myself rotten, and I know I enjoy the characters and plot a lot, so I want to own it. If I drop it, though, that's 40 euros to the garbage can.

That's lazy! *le da un zape* Besides, not all the books listed call my attention, but since they're classics I might change my mind if they're recced enough.

Damn, then I guess I won't go with Moby Dick. I found The Old Man and The Sea extremely boring so...

It's Lo Que El Viento Se Llevó. La película es buena, ni idea cómo es el libro.

Sobre eso, Las Mil y Una Noches son raras y no es porque sea árabe que es misógino: es un texto del 1000 AC, es mísógino por la época.
¿Pero cuántos cuentos europeos conocés donde la princesa se disfrace de rey y convenza al príncipe de tener sexo con ella pero cuando él todavía cree que es un hombre? Oh, Las Mil y Una Noches están on crack.
Además, según la traducción, los cuentos pueden estar o no. Lo mismo va para el contenido sexual.

About the books: go with the Nights. They're awesome.

B-but >x! The Shiny! ~~IT BURNS~~

Well, maybe you should start by chronological order? Or. Mmmm.

I really like The Picture of Dorian Gray -one of my favorites, actually-, Moby and Les Miserables; really good characters and dialogue.

The Godfather is A++ material. If you start with it, I suggest watching the movies once you're done because. Well. It's more fun that way |D;

Oliver Twist and Anna Frank... Sad stuff. I don't hate them. But. Hhmm.
The Iliad and The Odyssey = WIN. But I'm a GM Fan so 8D

Gone by the Win = ... Lo tienen por Pintando el Viento en español, s/n/q?

Las 1001 es algo así como mi libro preferido de todas las épocas XD Yo no lo llamaría misógino, si lees la versión que tiene los cuentos que son fieles al original, no la adaptada francesa edulcorada, vas a encontrar que justamente se trata acerca de una mujer tremendamente inteligente que con muchas de sus historias hace que el rey cambie de parecer con respecto a la manera en que ve a las mujeres.

No son historias más "misóginas" que lo que pueden ser las historias de la mitología griega, de hecho a mí me sorprendió muchísimo encontrarme con historias que hablan abiertamente de homosexualidad y no en una manera condenadora sino como si fuera lo más natural del mundo. La primera vez que me encontré con una de esas historias en las 1001 noches me quedé sin palabras, porque en mi mente lo árabe era inherente a "la homosexualidad es un pecado mortal imperdonable" XD
Hay una gran diferencia entre lo que ahora percibimos como "árabe" y lo que fue la cultura árabe a través de la historia, no hay que confundir los fundamentalismos del presente con la historia árabe, en muchos casos los "árabes" del presente son más cerrados que los del pasado, la historia de la cultura árabe es muy rica. Por ejemplo, otra cosa que se percibe con respecto a los árabes en el presente, es que su cultura representa una especie de represión de las mujeres en cuanto a lo sexual... pero las historias de las 1001 Noches están llenas de erotismo y además este libro promueve la tolerancia en muchos aspectos.

Creo que hay una gran misconception con respecto a lo que tiene que ver con las Mil y Una Noches, pero si vas a la fuente original lo que encontrás es que son historias llenas de magia que te llevan a otro mundo. No habla más mal de las mujeres de lo que habla de los hombres, pone en el tapete los defectos de los seres humanos en general, así como las virtudes.

Hay una historia en que una princesa quiere tener tres tesoros, sus dos hermanos van a buscarlos y al igual que todos los que lo intentaron antes, fallan y quedan convertidos en piedra. Entonces ella decide ir, consigue por sí misma lo que quería y libera a todos los hombres que habían caído bajo el mismo hechizo que sus hermanos, por no haber sido lo suficientemente sabios y fuertes. Claro que hay historias en que la visión de las mujeres está muy "outdated", pero en general no más que en otros libros, y en lo personal yo lo encontré refrescantemente imaginativo, poético y "revolucionario" en algunos aspectos XD Me encantan muchos de los comentarios de Scherezada al terminar de contar sus cuentos.

En Ali Baba, por ejemplo? La persona que termina salvando el día de Ali Baba... es una mujer, también. Las historias de Aladino, Ali Baba y todos los clásicos que tienen raíces en las 1001 Noches son infinitamente más interesantes y complejas en la versión original, para mi gusto, pero tenés que tener las ganas de realmente meterte en la historia (porque muchas son tipo... muy largas XD)

En fin, ojalá hubiera más gente que apreciara las 1001 Noches como el tesoro de narrativa que es!

The gameplay is fun, for the most part. I have horrible gaming reflexes, but I still enjoyed the regular and mini-boss battles. It's only the main boss battles where things got horribly difficult and lagged a lot. I enjoyed going through it once, but I don't think I'd want to play through it again starting at level 0 with all my characters.

The cutscenes were my favorite part, and figuring out how all the stories pieced together, so I think you've already got the best part of the game without having to work for it.

Yo obviamente te voy a spammear LesMis!! Es un libro maravilloso, aunque terriblemente largo y para colmo con pasajes que casi nada tienen que ver con la trama. Solo que al final de que te has tragado como 100 pags, Hugo lo relaciona con algun personaje secundario =.=

Pero es una maravillosa historia, ya se que es 'romantica' (que lo es, en parte) pero es mas sobre desigualdad y creencias y libertad y tiene un motin muy epico y te juro que al final vale la pena.

Aunque Las mil y una noches tambien estarían bien, son muy cheveres! Aunque... yo las lei en el colegio, asi que facil tengo una version reducida y comprimida, pero igual. ~~Me quedo con el Aladin de Disney :P~~

I apologize for jumping in and replying in English. I think I understand what you are saying here (I hope I am not totally off).

I did read the original version or at least an original version translated into English (I can't say I read the original Arabic). And I agree with you there are some interesting female characters. I would even say way more interesting than the female characters you get in Grimm's fairytales (who are always perfect) but at the same time the women in the stories are often treated as property of the men or treacherous and having affairs. Of course this is a product of the time and that has to be taken into account. I guess I just felt this was a flaw of the book. However I don't think the flaw means the book is not worth reading. I still think it is a very good book and a worthy classic. I just picked my top 3 I guess. :)

Edited 2008-03-15 21:54 (UTC)

Yo soy lurker, no es mi intención spammear a

amewarashi, pero te tengo que decir GRACIAS por esto. En serio.

Las 1001 Noches es Genial. Estoy completamente de acuerdo con todo lo que dijiste sobre la cultura árabe/del medio oriente y sobre el cuento.

Si este imperialismo no nos ha dado cada concepto sobre los países de medio oriente. Que sí, que la visión política (porque es más política que religiosa) de las mujeres en algunos lugares es horrible, pero para nada es un monolito. Hay feministas árabes como hay *gasp* latinoamericanas feministas. Esa generalización del oriente viene por, por supuesto, fines políticos del occidente también. *se va*

Haha, don't worry :) I was not planning to eat you for not agreeing with me or anything, I was just stating my POV. I can understand why some people can find some of the stories misogynist, but when you go deeper in the book I think you discover something different.

Yes, this is a product of the time and women are treated as property of men (just like the children in the stories, boys and girls equally, are treated as "property of the father"), but here's the interesting part: in lots of those stories, the women go against the will of their father and marry the one they really love (or in one case I remember, there's a woman who leaves her husband and stays with the guy she likes the most because he's better in bed XD), so in many cases it's not about women who just do what "they're supposed to do", it's about people rebelling against their "destiny". It's also about how some powerful men who think they know better are proven wrong, and how some who are not humble enough to accept they were wrong succumb to their mistakes.

Also, poor Scherezade spends 1001 nights trying to make her point, trying to convince the king that women are not the evil creatures he believes they are, and the stories she tells are carefully thought to make this stubborn man to gradually change his mind about the way he sees the world. The versions I had access to were the ones compiled and translated by Sir Richard Francis Burton (3 voumes split in 700+ pages) and JC Madrus (6 volumes split in 500+ each)
:) These two are the ones who tried to be as faithful as possible to the original source (there's also those who took only some of the tales, but I suppose some of those must have taken them from R.F.Burton's translation... I hope so, because when the translations cut off all the stuff that is not supposed to be "appropriate" for children lots of the stories lose big part of their magic)

Anyway, as you can see, I'm pretty passionate about this book and I like to try to convince people to read it in a deeper level, but don't worry! XD It's always a matter of personal taste, and I understand what you mean and why you said it :)

No es mi intención spammear tampoco, pero... qué lindo ver algunos fans de las 1001 Noches! :DDDDDD *se va corriendo antes de que Kiri la eche por spammear su lj* XD

Lo que el viento se llevó. Como la peli.

Pues mira, no sabía nada al respecto, ni de mujeres salvando el día ni de homosexualidad. Fue bastante interesante leer esto :O En realidad no tengo mucho que opinar porque obviamente no lo he leído, pero para eso precisamente tendré que leerlo un día: para ver qué me parece.

No es spam ^^ Como le decía a Len, yo es que no tengo idea. Si algo, más gente opinando me da más curiosidad de ver por mí misma.

Yaaay! *sigue escapando porque... todos lo hacen*

^^ Bueno, yo creo que es una obra maavillosa. Nunca es una pérdida de tiempo!

I've got to confess that I've only read The Picture of Dorian Gray from that list (and tried Moby Dick, but couldn't even finish it), but I really really liked it.

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