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Kiri ☂ ([personal profile] taotrooper) wrote2005-09-15 02:24 pm

Special announcement (PLEASE READ)

Okay, listen up. Last night, I was reading my flist and I realize this person (not telling names)'s posts were sort of annoying. Then I notice this person never comments in my LJ, and I never comment in his/her LJ. I wonder, why the hell is he/she still in my flist? Why the hell am I still in his/her flist?

It's a complicated thing, the friending. 85 journals have friend me. No, I'm not bragging. I hardly know half of them, and this is sad. There are some lurkers that might be lovely people, but they never comment and I'm too shy to read their own journals to take a decision about me adding them or not. And there are cases when I forgot to add people I should've.

Hence, I'm restructuring my flist: adding some, removing some. I have no problem if you still want to read me, as this LJ is 90% public. But I'm sort of selective when it comes to friending back.

So, here's the deal. LJ friends and lurkers, I'd like you to take your time and reply to this post. All of you. I want you to try to convince me why should I keep/add you. This is, of course, if you want me to read you. Try with fandoms and tastes in common. Samewise, if we've been mutual friends and you feel we have nothing in common, that you don't comment here anymore and I don't comment in yours anymore, and always wanted me to defriend me, this is your chance to both of us do it in a civilized way. Comment so we can cut the links.

Of course, there are exceptions to the rules. If you are always replying to my posts, or you don't but you know I like you very much, you have no need to go through this, as you're staying ♥ Or if your journal is about fandom-goodness (news, scans, translations) and I added you first so I could keep up with your posts, the same: you don't need to go through this crap. (you can still try to play along and amuse me, though XD)

And the last decision will be mine. Even if you comment or don't comment, I'll still keep or delete you, add or not add you, during this week time. If you find yourselves not here any longer on Monday, then it's because I had enough of you and defriended because you didn't convince me otherwise. Please, no complains. Also, an only-personal journal, with no fandom references ever, is not likely to be added/kept, as I'm afraid I'm too lazy to read "dear diary" sort of posts every single day.

Anoche, leía mi flist y me di cuenta que los posts de una persona (no digo nombres) eran algo fastidiosos. Entonces noté que dicha persona nunca comenta en mi LJ, y yo nunca comento en el suyo. Me pregunto, ¿por qué rayos sigue en mi flist? ¿Por qué rayos sigo yo en su flist?

El agregar amigos es complicado. 85 journals me han agregado. No, no estoy alardeando. Apenas conozco a la mitad de ellos, es triste. hay muchos lurkers que puede que sean gente agradable, pero ellos nunca comentan y soy muy tímida para ir a leer cada uno de sus journals para ver si los agrego o no. Y hay casos en que se me olvida añadir gente que debería.

Por ende, estoy reestructurando mi flist: añadiendo algunos, removiendo algunos. No hay problema si quieren seguir leyéndome, porque este LJ es 90% público. Pero soy un pelín selectiva en lo de añadir de vuelta.

Así que ésta es la cuestión. Amigos de LJ y lurkers, Les agradeceré que se tomen su tiempo para contestar a este post. Toditos. Deseo que traten de convencerme por qué debería conservarlos/agregarlos. Esto es, claro, si quieren que yo los lea a ustedes. Prueben con fandoms y gustos en común. Lo mismo, si hemos sido amigos mútuos y sienten que no tenemos nada en común, que tú no me comentas más y yo no te comento más, y siempre quisiste desfriendearme, ésta es la oprtunidad para que lo hagamos ambos de un modo civilizado. Comenta para que cortemos los vínculos.

Por supuesto, hay excepciones a las reglas. Si siempre respondes a mis posts, o no lo haces pero sabes que te aprecio mucho, no necesitas hacer todo esto porque te quedas ♥ O si tu journal va de tonterías sobre fandoms (noticias, scans, traducciones) y yo fui quien te agregó primero para seguir con tus posts, lo mismo: no hay necesidad de pasar por esta mierda. (pueden hacerlo de todos modos para divertirme XD)

Y la última decisión corre por mi cuenta. Comentes o no comentes, seguiré conservándote o removiéndote, añadiéndote o no, durante esta semana. Si encuentras que no sigues aquí el lunes, es debido a que tuve suficiente de ti y te desfriendeé por no convencerme de lo contrario. Sin quejas, por favor. Además, un journal excesivamente personal, sin casi referencias a fandoms, es probable que no se agregue/permanezca, ya que temo que soy muy floja para leer posts tipo "querido diario" todos los santos días.

That's it, comment now.
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I consider you as a pretty good friend, and I hope it's mutual. I find you generally interesting to talk. I like both your fandom activities (fics, icons, crack analysis) and reading about you as a person. I've no idea whether I comment often, but I don't think I never comment.
We share a love for both Clamp and Harry Potter.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
You were one of the people who didn't need to comment, actually ♥ So no problem ^^

[identity profile] nanami-hijiri.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
ohhhh kiri u are in good mod XD;
.__. dun remember if was me or was u XD i gave my lj in the pikaflash forum ^^;; erm ejeem

XDDDD yaaa >_< mejor espa sorry ando de practicante ajajaja -_- no se ingles igual =P

yo siempre leo tus posts.. o_o pero no las entiendo :/ asi q no poder comentar nada.. a menos q hum no se XD; me gustan tus teorias *___*
algo mas? erm cafe? ._. ok mejor me voy ya XD
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
Yo tampoco entiendo los tuyos, si te soy sincera XD

Tus posts no me molestan, así que por esta ronda te dejo ^^

Tú también moderas bien!

[identity profile] su-chan.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
nooooooo!! no me des-amigues porfa!! ya se que estoy como una cabra y no mejorare pero tenemos muchos gustos en comun y nos lj-comentamos mucho XDD Siempre te leo y me gusta hacerlo ;D
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
Claro que no te desfriendearía! ^_^

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[identity profile] iridiscence.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
Buf, realmente eso de los LJ friends sí es algo complicado. (La de drama que he visto que se ha montado a veces cuando alguien de-friendea a otra persona ^^U)

Bueno, sé que no comento demasiado, en parte por vaguitis crónica y también porque a veces no sé que decir. Pero me encanta ir leyéndote, y creo que sí tenemos bastantes gustos en común. ^^
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
A mí también me gusta leerte a ti ^_^

Por cierto, todavía no puedo agradecerte lo suficiente por comprarme el clearfile de Touya/Yukito T.T Cuando te lleguen tus cosas y me lo vayas a enviar avísame para pagarte.

[identity profile] miyazawa-lulu.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
Con lo mala que soy para comentar yo... ains ^^u Aunque sea muy vaga para eso y comente muy de vez en cuando, aunque sea una antisocial por messenger... creo que tenemos bastantes gustos en común. Especialmente esas ciertas mujercillas de Osaka que tanto nos hacen sufrir a veces.

Eso y que es muy agradable leerte en cualquier idioma (y que eres una de las pocas personas de las que me permito leer fics XD).
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
Icon love! Yay Rude! [está en una fase AC que da asco; prueba en su nuevo icon]

Descuida, a ti yo no te quiero quitar ^^

[identity profile] laurus-nobilis.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
*plays along and amuses you* ♥
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:25 am (UTC)(link)
*is amused*

[identity profile] toshikun.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
Comprendo la situación en la que estas y personalmente no me gustaría estar en ella -o-U
Aun me acuerdo que fuiste uno de los primeros amigos que agregué al poco de inaugurar el journal (si no me falla la memoria por enero o febrero de 2004). Sé que no te comento mucho (sinceramente intento evitar los spoilers y leer en inglés me da mucha pereza ^^U) y uso muy poco el lj (únicamente para la comunidad que mantengo), pero tenemos en común bastantes gustos y disgustos (zee *cof*).
Últimamente he estado bastante retirado del mundo fanlistero, pero si no estoy muy atareado este año intentaré involucrarme un poco más en la causa ^^
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Tranquilo, hombre. Tú sigues en la lista.

[identity profile] vikki.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 09:46 am (UTC)(link)
Um, hi. XD;;

not here to convince you to do anything - just here to say I enjoy your TRC and xXxHolic fangirling. Lurv on you.

AND ZOMG CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT TRC CHAPTER WTF. @___@

~~Vikki
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
Neither can I!

[glances over journal]

[ponders]

You're in :D [adds]

[identity profile] cakemix.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
I'm kind of shy when it comes to reading and replying to your entries, too o_o; but I love reading and enjoying your CLAMP fangirling (and snarking, too XD. especially when it came to the anime.)
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmmmmm...

Well, I think that, so far, you're staying. Hmmm. Yeah, sure. D.Gray-man fangirling helps a lot.

[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
Um, I make the bad parts of fandom palatable? And it's possible to have friends-locked plotting discussions?
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:27 am (UTC)(link)
Silly you; you weren't going to go anywhere ^^

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[identity profile] starsdust.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 11:51 am (UTC)(link)
He estado a punto de hacer un post igual a este porque me gustaria hacer un cleaning en mi FL y eso que no tengo tanta gente friendeada... XD Y que sepa que leen mi LJ y les interesa hay muy pocas ^^U

De todas maneras, me gusta mi FL a no ser por pocas excepciones (tipo... ponele que haya cinco personas a las que preferiría defriendear). Pero como si friendeo a alguien no espero que me friendee back... tampoco me molesta si alguien me defriendea porque no me gusta sentir que estoy spammeando la FL de alguien con mis entries ^^U

Creo que las veces que he comentado en tu LJ me he sentido un poco intrusa y eso me ha hecho dejar de comentar (ej, en memes... he estado a punto de postear comment y al final no lo hago porque me parece que estoy metiéndome en algo que no debo x_xU).
Capaz que me perdiste un poco el aprecio que pudieras tenerme, pero vos sos Kiri y te conozco desde hace pila aunque no hablemos XD Lo cual no quiere decir que si tenés ganas de defriendearme ahora o en el futuro no me molesta ^^
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
No quiero defriendearte. Fuiste mi primera amiga en LJ! ^//^

[identity profile] inouekun.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Bueno, como puedes ver yo no soy de postear mucho en mi propio LJ, pero te posteo comentarios, no siempre, pero trato de dejarte algún recadillo (aunque hay veces que son de CLAMP y tal y yo no se mucho de la materia ^^u). Cuando te conocí me caiste bastante bien, aunque no se si será lo mismo porque no soy muy "sociable" con la demás gente qué digamos; pero paso un buen rato con tus posts, compartimos intereses (Bleach, D.Gray-man, algo de CLAMP, HP, demás frikadas...)además de que somos latinas viviendo aquí en Coruña. Me gusta leerte, y bueno, tu decides ^^.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Tú no te vas a ningún lado ^__^

(por cierto, la razón por la que no he contestado tu mail es porque soy muy perezosa con los correos ^^U aparte que esta semana y parte de la pasada fue algo caótico intentaré mandarte el reply este fin de semana o bien llamarte para que nos pongamos de acuerdo)

[identity profile] katharos-8.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Keep me? *Paws pleadingly* I know I have been non-existant quiet recently, but your fangirling has helped me through some tough times. Keep me so I can fangirl with you? *doggy-eyes*
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
You like and write Tsubasa shounen-ai/yaoi, that's so good enough to be kept. Yep.

[identity profile] paper-seagulls.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not actually in your friend list, so as a gate crasher I can't be removed. *smile* Though if you want to visit my journal occasionally I wouldn't mind... I occasionally post manga and Tsubasa episode reviews.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
That's cool ^^ I'm adding you.

[identity profile] light-hikari.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I doubt my journal would intrest you much as the fandom that gets most time on LiveJournal is Hello! Project, so I'm not trying to convince you on that part.

Although I do adore reading your journal, I've only got one other friend that talks about CLAMP-anything, and my other friends don't really bother with FMA or Harry Potter. Your fangirling is very much amusing and your pondering of different things concerning the fandoms are all very interesting to read ^_^

Oh, and <333 your icons. So much.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Even though you keep trying, I never get to friend you and that makes me feel bad and guilty. You seem really nice, but I can't understand half your posts and some of them are too personal for me to be comfortable with.

I'm really sorry :(

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[identity profile] quitelife00.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, Kirisame-san...where do I begin? We share several fandoms in CLAMPverse and beyond (XxxHolic, Tsubasa, CCS, Harry Potter). We even like the same characters!

I love reading your XxxHolic fanfics. Your writing style is exquisite and your skills as a writer are magnificent. (I'll add [livejournal.com profile] kitsune_epics and stop my lurking-without-commenting, I promise.) You make absolutely amazing icons; I can only wish that my own icon-making skills could grow to your level.

We share a birthday on June 19th. I always thought that was kinda cool, in a dorky way.

I know I don't comment as much as I wish I did, but I comment where I can.

With this in mind, please keep me. =]
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, but I'm worse commenting in yours. I really should.

By the way, it's not like I ignored your petition for beta'ing your fic; it's just that I've never beta'd and I'm not really good at that kind of stuff. That, and I tend not to read crossovers with series I've never seen: it makes me feel like I'm missing a lot.

You're kept ^__^ I have to fangirl about Watanuki with someone.

[identity profile] mon-starling.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh, bueno, esta parece una buena ocasion para presentarme si no lo hice antes... te agrege hace poco, cuando mi fanatismo por XXXholic llego a limites insospechados. :D Compartimos el amor por Clamp, FMA y Harry, y lo poco que he leido de tus posts siempre los encuentro interesantes. Prometo comentar cuando pueda y no ser tan vaga y uh - lurkear tanto. ;)
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Siempre que puedas tolerar mi profundo desprecio por RoyEd y Doumeki/Watanuki, creo que podremos ser friends ^^

[identity profile] ariad.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Well... I read your FMA entries, and you occasionally indirectly remind me to read Bleach. *is reminded to read Bleach* Er, thank you for that. And your Reno icon is really hot.

I'm going to give XXXHOLiC a shot. I might be going to a manga store tomorrow. If I see it there, I'll read it. =]

...Except that I just went to kimihiro.net and am now utterly confused. Is Tsubasa a sequel to Card Captor Sakura? Should I read these series in a particular order?
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh nononononono. There are no sequels to CCS. Tsubasa is sort of like a huge AU crossover fanfiction made by CLAMP with their previous characters from all their mangas. The main couple, coincidentally, is an alter, MarySueish version of the main CCS couple, but they're not the same people. It's like a badfic where Sakura is a pretty princess with amnesia and stuff, but it's still interesting if you ignore some lame characters. And some alter worlds are really cool.

You don't need to read CCS first. And you don't need to read Tsubasa first, before reading XXXHOLiC.

And I'm friending you.

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[identity profile] sui.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I commented one time around the time I added you; I was formerly [livejournal.com profile] lizzyrd and I think was your friend back then, and fellow hostee at pyreflies.nu/moonshadow-garden.net; also, we share several fandoms, like CLAMP and Harry Potter. ♥ ^^;; So yeah. And plus.. uhh.. yo comprendo un poco espanol? (Estoy tratando de escribir mas.. y ahora no tengo acentos porque este keyboard[?] no tiene acentos y estoy demasiado perezosa ;-;)
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-16 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Added. Sorry I forgot to re-add you.

[identity profile] shirasakura.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, I'm Shirosakura and have currently friended you.
I like CCS, TRC, XXX, FMA, and more. I found you through your website kimihiro.net, feel in love with your icons, and came to your journal, where I discovered your story journal and have been attacked repeatedly by plot bunnies because of.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmmmm, I don't know. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I don't see -in your journal or userinfo- anything that makes me want to add you back. I'm really sorry.

[identity profile] veneotaqueen.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Considerando que yo ni posteo seguido en mi propio LJ, y la principal razón por la que te añadí era porque dejaste de actualizar el blog en Bloggers que tenías, debido a que me parecía interesante lo que posteabas, compartimos fandoms y nacionalidad...
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Bueh... es que el blog en blogger no se murió realmente. Sólo se mudó a mi dominio (como lo tenía con redireccionador antes, puse un link directamente, aunque creo que se me pasó hacer una referencia a la mudanza en el blogger mismo, y luego no tuve forma de enmendarlo). Dejar de postear no fue, sólo que se actualizaba en el servidor mío y no en el de blogger. Posteriormente, compré un segundo dominio y se pasó para allá. De todos modos, actualmente el blog está en un hiatus de varios meses y ahora sólo hablo de fandoms de anime/manga.

A mí me gustan tus escasos posts ^^ Y también leo Please no Review porque me encanta tu sarcasmo y la forma en que hablas pestes de los fandoms.

[identity profile] elihice.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I understand the need to take me out to preserve your sanity. But considering it's usually you breaking my brain with theories I don't think it would be really fair.

In fact, the magnolias command you to. Yes, they do. Pay no atention to the weird black things in the gate telling you to remove me.

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This post was brought to you by exam!angst and the letter C. (As in: crack.)
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
You're the one that should defriend me, then?

Since the you bribed the magnolias, it's okay for you to stay. But what about the black smoke? It told me to get an account on eBay and bid for everything shiny! Oh wait, that has nothing to do with you. My bad :P

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Silly, I'd never defried you. Good luck with exams!

[identity profile] csakuras.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Ummmm...would you mind if I friend you? :D; Since we share some interests and I stalk your journal anyway...
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
And I'm adding you back ^__^

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[identity profile] maya-dance.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah... I just friended you yesterday, and then this pops up today. I suppose that's a good thing though, a chance for me to introduce myself and all. I friended you because -1 your icons are brill -2 we seems to share several fandoms -3 you seem like a nice, cool person that I'd like to get to know. It's easier to 'lurk' when someone's on a friend's list, and I'd een planning to lurk a bit before commenting... I always feel awkward commenting people who don't know me...erm... I understand completely if you remove me, but i'd love it if you didn't... On a side note, I'm completely with you on this new TRC world... if Hiiragizawa-kun doesn't make an appearance, I'm gonna completely flip a lid.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm. Well, you see, I'd normally add a fellow Clow/Yuuko shipper, but your whole journal is full of pet peeves of mine. Starting with the whole Japanese-fanart-in-posts thing, since some of them are big enough to screw my layout up when I check my flist. I really hope it's nothing personal. You're still welcome to comment, though.

And yeah, let's hope CLAMP makes an Eriol cameo. They should know better.

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[identity profile] bubblefish.livejournal.com 2005-09-15 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah~ Kiri! *mental blank* I always enjoy reading your fandom posts and such (but I'm not sure vice versa XD;) and we do have several fandoms in common like Bleach and Clamp stuff. Whether you want to keep me or not is up to you, but nevertheless I still wish to be your friend and able to keep up with what's going on with you. ^__^
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
If I have to be honest with you, I don't really understand any of your posts recently. You just talk about your closest friends and your personal life way to often for me to get it, and it's all filled with inside jokes. Most of the times I just skip them.

And I don't really know why do say you enjoy my posts, considering I keep saying crap about couples/characters you like (because I think there's not a single Hagaren-related post I make without me ranting directly or indirectly against RoyEd or EnvyEd shippers.) I guess you just don't read my FMA posts or you aren't easily insulted.

I just don't know... so far, I have no idea why I could keep you. We might share fandoms, but our personalities and tastes are way too different.

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