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Something I saw in a forum (more specifically, it was someone wanting to ask CLAMP if Clef/Umi existed *snorts* well, not for them, you know...) made me wondering this.

When it comes to fandoms with multiple canons, and in which every canon has their official ships contradicted/sank by the other one(s), do you guys consider any ship "more canon" than other(s)?

For instance, the Angelic Layer series. In anime, the producers decided to make canon Oujirou/Misaki and Koutarou/Tamayo. However, CLAMP picked Koutarou as Misaki's guy, while Oujirou gave a damn about her in a romantic sense and went on a date with Tamayo, making everyone go WTF -manga!Oujirou has that effect on people, like any good Mihara. And speaking of Miharas, manga!Icchan was never interested in Shouko -can't recall if that one sailed in anime.

When it comes to CLAMP fandoms, I find myself considering the manga ships over the anime ones as Teh Canon. Actually, few exceptions aside (like the one-sided Meiling/Syaoran crush), I tend to take anime-only canon ships as borderline fanon. I mean, I'll grant they ARE canon because there's media supporting it, but not the canon I as a fan am bound to accept. I take CLAMP as the true canon source.

Now, that's in that particular set of canons. CLAMPverse aside, I probably could favor an anime/movie-only ship over manga/book-only canon if I really liked it. I can't think of an example right now, but I'm not as wanky to say "I'll never drink from this water". I'd probably think the first canon's ships are canon-er than mine, but I'd still be happy with my share of canon. Then, I wouldn't go and scream at the fans who say the ship from the canon without my pairing is the canon one.

So, what do you think? Do you care at all about that? Do you favor the canon with the pairing you like the most, or the oldest one, or both? Or does it depend on every case?

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juas, la verdad es que a mi lo que piensen/crean/adoren los demas me da igual, no me molesta que no yo comparta su opinion ni ellos mis gustos, son libres de hacer lo que quieran ^_____________^

por que al fin y al cabo, ES UNA CUESTION DE GUSTOS, y aunque les guste una pareja que vaya en contra del canon, incluso aunq ambos esten casados con otros personajes, es cosa suya y solo suya.

Es cuestion de buscar gente que comparta los tuyos, raro es que un 'shipper' este solo en este mundo.... hay sitio para todos.

Eso si, discutir si te aburres y tienes tiempo puede ser divertido, pero no hay por que torturarse, no lo leas si no te gusta, y problema resuelto.

^_~

En anime/manga yo creo que le doy preferencia generalmente al manga... si tuve la oportunidad de ver ambos, es casi seguro que el manga y en cuanto a ignorar o no el otro canon, yo creo que depende.

Por ejemplo, ni loca pienso reconocer los fillers de Naruto como canon, mucho menos todo el Naruto/Hinata que los fillers avientan a los fans, a pesar que sé que todo lo que sale en los fillers viene siendo canon en ciertos niveles... pero no, no pienso reconocerlos. Prefiero verme elitista que reconocerlos, definitivamente.

En cambio, en cuanto a parejas y todo lo demás, me da igual. Si ambos canon me gustan los disfrutaré, si me gusta uno y el otro no, preferiré el que me gusta pero no bashearé ni pensaré que es menos canon el otro. Igual no puedo decirme una santa porque supongo que hay casos donde quizá no piense así, pero en este momento no encuentro uno.

Ojalá tenga sentido :/.

It depends. When it comes to books vs. movies, I consider that books have the final word: the book was written first and the movie adapted it.

With anime and manga it's trickier because they usually run at the same time and diverge on purpose. I might like one version more, but I don't consider any of them "more canon" than other.

And then there are cases when I just take things as completely different entities. HMC is an obvious example, or Dracula-the-book as opposed to Dracula-the-musical-that-I-fangirl-a-lot.

It depends for me. I don't think I've run across too many instances in which there's a difference between anime and manga in terms of pairings... and I don't think I've had any pairings sunk by canon. Of course, some of the things I ship for are ongoing, and could ~~shatter~~ change the status of my ~~delusions~~ pairings. I can think of one instance, but in that case the manga and anime were so different I take them as two separate entities.

I'll pick whatever media was the original, initial work as the most canon source for ships. That doesn't mean it's going to be my "favourite" ship, but they're the ones I'll consider most canon. I can't think of many fandoms which I follow where it's important though ^^
Well, there's FMA but I'm not into the fandom, I merely occasionnaly read fics when people from my flist write it. There's Slayers where I only know the anime (but it's not like the books are findable in english, heh)
X the serie didn't have any ship not in the manga.
Furuba anime, apart from stopping very early, didn't have a lot of differences...
Okay, I found one. Buffy, the movie is not canon in any way shape or forms despite being the original work. It's all about the serie.

I think that overall I tend to like canonical ships better than fanon one, but it's not an absolute rule (as obvious with Harry Potter) I don't know, I ship pretty easily and without much serious in almost everything thing I watch/read anyway ^^

Actually I guess it's not always the case. I consider the Utena serie "most" canon, that is to say it's my priority source to judge things, with the movie and the manga far behind regardless of the fact the manga existed first.

Humm, I don't know. I might not have a logical rule about this.

Mmm, all this talking about CLAMP fandoms anime & manga made me remember that episode (which I didn't need to know about) of Tsubasa Chronicle about Fay & Chii. GUH *vomits*

But, overall, I think I take the anime and manga as canon in their own ways. Taking an example of one of my first fandoms, I really hate Mamoru in the Sailor Moon anime version, but I do like him in the manga. They do seem like completely different persons O_o

But, it all depends. Sometimes you could take both versions as equally canon if you like how things are going or developed in both (even if not identically) or sometimes you just take one side of the cooin as your canon since its content suits your tastes better.
For instance, I'll always say that I prefer books better than their movies, but I could like a movie (very much) in itself even if it's not particularly canon.

I bet comic book fans kill their brains trying to decipher what's truly canon and what is not, without talking about the movies & animated series. It all comes down to which story you think fits the characters, and you like better.

For me, the original work is THE canon. Whatever changes come in the products created from that original work are not. It doesn't matter whether it favours my ship or my neighbour's ship, really.

For example, FMA manga is canon, whatever BONES made up is some kind of AU that gets more attention from fans than canon for who knows what reason. Evangelion anime is canon, the changes in the manga are not, no matter if I like it better.

I usually (as in nearly always) like original works better (especially manga), but it's not because it's THE canon. It's, well, because I like it better.

There are subjects in which canon gets a little blurry (comic, hello?), but in cases where there's A manga done by an author (or a couple) and some time AFTER, it gets adapted for television/cinema... according to my logic, the manga should always get the upper-hand. After all, it's the original vision of its creator, I have deep respect for that.

I don't even know if that made sense now.

Whatever, I don't think I ever encountered lots of anime where I could say "hey, I wish this was in the manga!" or something, so...

Whatever came first is cannon to me. TV shows have 'bibles' for a reason, to keep the writers in line with what the creator or original writing team wanted.

There's a reason why I'm so very much in love with the idea that Dean Devlin is trying to get the go ahead to make his Stargate 2 and Stargate 3 films. Stargate SG-1 always felt like bad fanfic to me. Sloppy seconds.

That being said, now we have to seperate entities, and sometimes you have to take that for what it is. It's probably easier to say 'anime version' or 'manga version' or 'film version' or 'book version.'

Depends on which I see first. Manga/book or anime/movie/TV show. Unless I like the manga/book over the anime/movie/TV show. And vice versa.

Except for CLAMP, I usually consider the manga to the "official" canon source because CLAMP is evil and likes to crossover everything, but the anime sometimes forgets that (see Angelic Layer and Chobits manga VS. anime, and you might as well add Kobato to the mix for the manga side) and I look for the crossovers in the anime, and when I can't find them in the anime (see above) my brain kind of goes "SSSSSSSSSTTTTTCCCCCCHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!"

I also like crack!pairings as well. Especially for series where all the ship frame is made by the writer and the rest is up to us to build.

I think I just hurt my arm muscles

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