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taotrooper) wrote2009-05-17 09:18 pm
taotrooper) wrote2009-05-17 09:18 pm
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The future needs a big kiss
Who wants to bet Ginsei (from Kobato)'s true face is actually one of an androgynous Kamui-like pretty bishounen with large eyes and luscious eyelashes? I mean, look at the chapter where he talks to the bear. I swear he looked stereotypically CLAMP bish there even if he still was a furry. Srsly guys. I have such a clear image of this dude now that we know he has short hair and shit.
Anyway...
I've been pondering a bit about what a prosecutor and a detective must do in the Ace Attorney world. After that subtle infodump on the police department mechanics in case 1-5, I understood that the police are actually the ones in complete charge of crimes, while the prosecutor's office is a subordinate branch of them. Why do I say this? Damon Gant was pretty much everybody's superior as the chief of police, plus he was able to designate, even handpick, the chief prosecutor. However, you can't deny that prosecutors are above the investigation detectives. You could pretty much say they're their bosses and they have the authority to change their salary or get them fired, that much is canon. It's safe to say prosecutors are also considered part of the police force, not only work under them: they do have access to documents and locker rooms with evidence, and an ID card to enter that room seen in 1-5.
But even if the prosecutors are the bosses of detectives, my theory is that normally the job of deciding who the main suspect is (and the one going to be arrested and tried in court) can lie on the latter. Moreover, it makes more sense that the police are the ones finding the criminal, while the prosecutor/district attorney is just informed later on, interrogates the defendant and witnesses, examines the evidence, etc., so they know what's going on before the trial. What happens here? Most prosecutors are picky perfectionists; and let's grant it, detectives like Dick Gumshoe -God bless him- aren't the brightest crayon in the box. So, by being in the crime scene all the time and examining stuff next to the detectives, the prosecutor makes sure they're the one making the deductions as they go. Of course Gumshoe wouldn't doubt Edgeworth/the Von Karmas/Godot/whoever when they tell him Who Did It, and arrest that person right away. Good prosecutors won't give that responsibility to the police!
And this, my friends, is why the suspects in Apollo Justice made no fucking sense.
As much as I love them as characters, the Gavin-Skye combo has serious issues because they don't fit the patterns and work a prosecutor-detective team normally follows. Klavier has a very demanding second job, so he just tends to stay in the crime scene for a few minutes and then step out, leaving all the work to the detective(s) in charge. And while I doubt Ema is stupidier than Gumshoe, she has a very peculiar logic: if it's scientifically possible, it must be true! But by doing that, she misses a lot of stuff that's pretty much common sense. So there might come a point in the case, be it before or during the trial, where Klavier sits to analyze the suspect and notice there's no fucking way this is the culprit and Fräulein must've been wrong. And that he's forced to keep on prosecuting that.
This is my theory for why Machi was made the suspect even though he showed no side effect that you would expect on a tiny 15-year-old who just shot a fucking .45 revolver twice. No one else could've escaped through the ladder, therefore it must've been him! Not to say that Klavier would've thought differently, because we'll never know, but to me he looks like the guy who'd do his homework on caliber .45 since it's the murder weapon. Which is funny, however, is that Ema kept repeating that the murderer must've been an expert at shooting, but she might've been so fixated in the escape she handwaved the contradiction. Hell, even the judge picked that up on that on his own.
Or, you know, this game was written by different screenwriters than the previous ones, so it was hard to follow the same logic processes. That case has more holes than Gruyere cheese, after all.
Anyway...
I've been pondering a bit about what a prosecutor and a detective must do in the Ace Attorney world. After that subtle infodump on the police department mechanics in case 1-5, I understood that the police are actually the ones in complete charge of crimes, while the prosecutor's office is a subordinate branch of them. Why do I say this? Damon Gant was pretty much everybody's superior as the chief of police, plus he was able to designate, even handpick, the chief prosecutor. However, you can't deny that prosecutors are above the investigation detectives. You could pretty much say they're their bosses and they have the authority to change their salary or get them fired, that much is canon. It's safe to say prosecutors are also considered part of the police force, not only work under them: they do have access to documents and locker rooms with evidence, and an ID card to enter that room seen in 1-5.
But even if the prosecutors are the bosses of detectives, my theory is that normally the job of deciding who the main suspect is (and the one going to be arrested and tried in court) can lie on the latter. Moreover, it makes more sense that the police are the ones finding the criminal, while the prosecutor/district attorney is just informed later on, interrogates the defendant and witnesses, examines the evidence, etc., so they know what's going on before the trial. What happens here? Most prosecutors are picky perfectionists; and let's grant it, detectives like Dick Gumshoe -God bless him- aren't the brightest crayon in the box. So, by being in the crime scene all the time and examining stuff next to the detectives, the prosecutor makes sure they're the one making the deductions as they go. Of course Gumshoe wouldn't doubt Edgeworth/the Von Karmas/Godot/whoever when they tell him Who Did It, and arrest that person right away. Good prosecutors won't give that responsibility to the police!
And this, my friends, is why the suspects in Apollo Justice made no fucking sense.
As much as I love them as characters, the Gavin-Skye combo has serious issues because they don't fit the patterns and work a prosecutor-detective team normally follows. Klavier has a very demanding second job, so he just tends to stay in the crime scene for a few minutes and then step out, leaving all the work to the detective(s) in charge. And while I doubt Ema is stupidier than Gumshoe, she has a very peculiar logic: if it's scientifically possible, it must be true! But by doing that, she misses a lot of stuff that's pretty much common sense. So there might come a point in the case, be it before or during the trial, where Klavier sits to analyze the suspect and notice there's no fucking way this is the culprit and Fräulein must've been wrong. And that he's forced to keep on prosecuting that.
This is my theory for why Machi was made the suspect even though he showed no side effect that you would expect on a tiny 15-year-old who just shot a fucking .45 revolver twice. No one else could've escaped through the ladder, therefore it must've been him! Not to say that Klavier would've thought differently, because we'll never know, but to me he looks like the guy who'd do his homework on caliber .45 since it's the murder weapon. Which is funny, however, is that Ema kept repeating that the murderer must've been an expert at shooting, but she might've been so fixated in the escape she handwaved the contradiction. Hell, even the judge picked that up on that on his own.
Or, you know, this game was written by different screenwriters than the previous ones, so it was hard to follow the same logic processes. That case has more holes than Gruyere cheese, after all.
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Maybe the system changed in 7 years. Or the first 3 games' prosecutors were special cases? xD
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.... Sry. No leo el manga, pero me estoy imaginando a Ioryogi como el estereotípico seme, y duele. Duele demasiado.
Somebody had to do it.
Anyway, here's the link to the image instead.
Setting that aside, I've only read about the Ace Attorney series, but I do find the twisted legal system to be fascinating. Do the games treat their version of the law as if it were (mostly) just and natural, or do some of the characters recognize it as flawed?
Re: Somebody had to do it.
The characters do recognize it as flawed. To the point it was made a huge deal in the fourth game and they started to try and change the legal system. The last case was a test pilot with a jury, and a former conservative lawyer threw a hissy fit about it because he didn't approve of common people participating in laws. Then the other characters, including the judge (who's... not the brightest crayon in the box), pwned him in the argument.