taotrooper: It's a polar bear dancing the hula; your argument is invalid (Waka / pretty fly for a moon guy)
Kiri ☂ ([personal profile] taotrooper) wrote2010-10-10 04:19 am

I see a trend in my fandoms

[livejournal.com profile] outou pointed me out that Pixiv is an effective place for spoilers. On one hand, now I know what I wanted to know. Good, it's not the worst option! It gives me more questions, but they're new questions at least! On the other, now I know the particulars of the thing I vaguely heard they were going to pull, and I think I didn't want to know about that one. The implications of both facts is very D: to the point it's eclipsing my distrust of the game itself with just... staring at angsty fanarts of Japanese fanon forever. Like Waka didn't have enough of those already.

So I guess I'll have to pull my big girl panties and...



Eshiro, you do hate everything I love. But hey, I made a silly animated gif!

And now I'll shut up about Okamiden, at least for a while. Spoilers will surely be in comments, instead of being a normal gal and use a cut.

[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
A) Please make that gif into an icon.

B) I'm so, so sorry.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
a) Image

b) No, actually? It's fine. I always spoil myself on video games and it's better this way. This is something I needed to know before I went into the game and grew attached to that character. I didn't expect the game to , though.

[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
...Those pictures of Waka hugging Kurou just got a lot worse, didn't they.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
And now I made it worse for you. I'm sorry, since you actually can read some of the text, I thought you would know better than me? DDD:

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[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I can only read a little katakana by this point -- everything else goes through the Babelfish blender. :D

It's not as if it's entirely out of the realm of Ōkami, since the deaths in that game all felt like a punch in the gut (even Tobi's, as minor a character as he was), but throwing that extra guilt onto Waka's already guilt-ridden backstory is a little much. Especially if it involves a character who looks as innocent, funny, cheerful as Kurou.
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YOU KNOW, FOR KIDS!

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I see :o My Babelfishing skills must be worse, as it sounds like bullshit every time XD *is "translating" Japanese boards for more spoilers ATM*

I'm fine with character death, but the reason I'm annoyed is a) like you said, it's unnecessary new drama for Waka, and b) why do you kill a CHILD? The deaths in the original were all adults or beings with a long existence (I guess I assume Tobi was an adult in demon paper terms?), and I thought they wanted to make it kiddier and cuter to get to a younger audience. Um, it's contradictory and sad.

Babelfish English is harder to understand than Old English, you know

[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Children can be pretty resilient to messages around death (Nadeshiko and Clow are obvious examples in CCS, which treats the subject very well), but I'm not sure how good an idea it was to not only kill a young character in a kid's game onscreen, but to kill one of the player's teammates. Of course, we could be wrong about Ōkamiden being a game intended for children, but the development team must be insane if it didn't think that lots of little kids would pick it up.
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It's more effective to use word-by-word dictionary software

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, let's see. Cover art depicts a puppy wolf cub and a boy. If that doesn't scream little children, I don't know what does. Sadly, people do judge by its cover, especially when buying things for their kids.

But yeah, see how Harry Potter is a massacre in terms of character deaths, and people of all ages read this and deal with it.
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[personal profile] inksmears 2010-10-11 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
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I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND BUT I AM SO STEALING THAT ICON.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-11 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, go ahead :D
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Just leaving tiny rants here and there in white text

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
About Kurou's possible origin.

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But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 03:21 am (UTC)(link)

Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Queen Himiko was minor?! What game were they playing?!
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Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"Okami had several key people die during the story, but none of them were characters the player would get very emotional about."


They keep saying they're fans of the original. I have no idea how they can say this and not feeling that Himiko's death wasn't emotive. Especially if you do the Water Brush Technique upgrade sidequest. I suspect they don't have a heart.

Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
The game made even Rao's death pack a bunch, and we never really knew her! "Wouldn't get emotional", my ass.
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Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
It's even creepier when you think that Ninetails killed Himiko while looking like Rao. Sacrificing yourself for your city AND being killed by a monster pretending to be your right hand? That is a nasty way to end your life.

Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. And Ninetails is evil enough to have taunted Himiko about that before killing her, too.
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Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I would be surprised if he didn't. In those lines, good thing this isn't a normal fandom with a kink meme *shudders*

Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know about everyone else, but I teared up at every death in that game. It's a testament to the original team's writers that they were able to make the players care that much, which makes the new team's comment on the deaths being "minor" something of an insult.
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Re: But are you Joss Whedon, Eshiro?

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
It is insulting. This is the original quote:

"Okami had several key people die during the story, but none of them were characters the player would get very emotional about."


I suspect they don't have a heart. I thought every death was sad. It says a lot that a minute before he vanishes, I was sick and tired of Tobi's trials and I wanted to physically crump him, but then he goes and gives that speech and I FELT SO, SO BAD FOR HIM :(

TOBI, YOU WILL BE MISSED

[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to mention Queen Himiko's sudden and shocking death, and the Emperor falling majestically into the depths of the sea, and poor Rao having been murdered all along, and Waka seemingly getting killed by Yami, and...
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Best paper scrap in video game history

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
AUGH TO EVERYTHING D:

Like [livejournal.com profile] ayasugi_san says, it's amazing how we never got to meet Rao and it's still sad. And King Wada, we only got to talk to him once after we destroyed him on the inside.
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And then, the angsty implication

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 03:28 am (UTC)(link)

[identity profile] laurus-nobilis.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
.................. so I just read all your whited-out rants and I am going to pretend there is no sequel.

LALALA BLOOMING PLANTS LALALA THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP LALALA~
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
You see, I wish I could do that, but I'm kinda in your situation with Clow. He lives in your head, and you can stick him to happier, more oblivious, less stupid times. But you know that it happens, HE knows that it happens, and it shall always be in the corner of your mind when you roleplay/write him.

Also, masochism. I want to play it despite of the nonsense because I MUST KNOW ALL or something.

[identity profile] laurus-nobilis.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
... yes, exactly. I FEEL YOU. DDDDX
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
*se te cuelga*

[identity profile] marbles-chan.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
+1 for the people who read whited-out text and wondering wtf is up with that sequel
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Different writers, that's what is up :(
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Reading more spoilers in boards

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)


More thoughts later.

Not even bothering with the "font" tag this time

[identity profile] outou.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Orochi again? Again?! What, did killing him three times awaken his previously-unannounced identical nephew or something?!
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Re: Not even bothering with the "font" tag this time

[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-10 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Granted, I don't know if Chibi gets to fight it or a relative (I'm going to call BABY again, why not! Orochi gets cloned!), maybe it's not even a boss but a cameo, but man if returning to that isn't OVERKILL. And in the past, even!
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[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2010-10-12 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
1. Okamiden is starting to sound like What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made On Drugs? (and not the good drugs, either).

2. The tags make this post look like it got dogpiled on FFR or FW.
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-12 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
1. Most of my fandoms have suffered through that at least once, eek.

2. What's the use of tags if you can't find the humor with them? Precisely in these occasions is when they are more poignant. And I would've used more tags of that kind if they weren't such spoilers.
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[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2010-10-12 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
2. It's just kind of funny. Though it does need more tags to truly look like an FFR dogpiled post. Maybe create/add a new tag like "so many tags i can't believe it's not ffr"?
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[identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com 2010-10-12 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, I don't read ffr so it's not that relevant. And some tags are funny in an in-joke kind of way. The "not that idiot again" tag is pretty much reserved to this game's producer, who's also in charge of Ace Attorney Investigations, and to dedicate Stephen Colbert gifs to him.

[identity profile] ayasugi-san.livejournal.com 2010-10-13 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
After thinking about it, the tag cluster also resembles the tags an epic clusterfuck wank might get on FW; the type that hits multiple fields and is just messed up on too many levels. Which the game might turn out to be.